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The Peptide Pulse — Episode 3: Precision Medicine, Meet Peptides w/ Dr. Will Haas on Integration, Innovation, and Real Optimization

• Dr. Adam Boender • Season 1 • Episode 3

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Dr. Will Haas joins Dr. Adam to unpack the reality behind high-achiever burnout, hormonal imbalances, and why so many professionals are misdiagnosed or dismissed.

They dive into functional medicine protocols, patient stories, and the hidden epidemic of “doing everything right” yet still feeling exhausted.

🎯 Key topics:

  • Burnout isn’t just mental
  • Cortisol, estrogen, and functional diagnostics
  • Why most professionals don’t get answers
  • Case examples of recovery

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SPEAKER_02:

Welcome to the Peptide Pulse. I'm Dr. Adam Bounder, the peptide researcher, and this is where innovation meets inspiration. I'm super excited today because I've got Dr. William Haas with me. This man is a true innovator, not just when it comes to medical practice, but innovation through business as well, through Vive Wellness, and Infusive. You know, today we're going to actually be taking and talking about peptides, not just as replacements, but as powerful tools alongside IV therapy, hormones, neurofeedback, and performance medicine. This man has put it all together. He's a serial entrepreneur. And quite honestly, I'm just honored and excited to actually have him here. This is going to be a lot of fun. And I just learned something today that, I mean, you've been doing podcasts, but I'm the lucky one that gets to have you on my podcast. This is your first like first live in-person. In-person podcast. So I'm super stoked, man. This is going to be a whole lot of fun. And uh, I just really want to I want to dive into this because you are really changing lives. I was honored today uh today, well, and yesterday to have you come on. I mean, that for you to be able to come here, you know, we are right now at SSRP, so obviously peptide certification training. I got to listen to you on stage. And man, what you bring to this stage is just it's it's beyond. It's actually what we all need. You know, it's the actual clinical application of not just peptides, but what you can begin to mix and match with these to enhance them. And so I just want to ask you as we kind of get into this, like like what was your why moment? Like, why did you decide to implement peptides into your practice? And I guess what was that journey like?

SPEAKER_00:

I don't think there's like actually one moment, right? I think uh inadvertently I had been using peptides for like 15 years. Okay. Right. So I love when Dr. Seeds first introduces the concept of peptides. He's like, hey, we like everybody knows what a peptide is, right? Insulin is a peptide, right? So, you know, as a clinician, I've been using that, but as a medical student, the GLP ones in their first iteration came out, right? By durion, by ETA, those sorts of things.

SPEAKER_02:

Which a lot of people don't realize.

SPEAKER_00:

No, yeah. So like the GLP ones have been around for a long time. You know, you just kind of exactly see that buzz recently around Ozempic in the past two, three years of the GLP ones. But um, what kind of really caught my attention, the aha moment, was when I was in residency, actually. And uh I started taking all of my patients. And and for people who don't kind of know what residency is all about, it's kind of like an indentured servitude, right? So, like you basically you're a doctor, but you're being kind of told what to do by your attendings and what you mean you have no choice? Yeah, you have to kind of follow the conventional norm, right? And so I have just always been interested in integrative and functional cellular health optimization. Like, and I got to medical school and realized like that's not what it's all about. And I was like, how am I gonna make it through this? So somehow I stumbled into residency and and didn't depart into consulting world, which we can go on that tangent later, but you know, I didn't really intend on finishing my medical degree. But plowed through, got into residency, and here I am taking all of my patients off insulin and putting them on GOP1s. And my this is in your residency. In residency. My 10 things are like, what are you doing? You can't do that, right? Like, that's the standard of care. You get a diabetic who has hypertension, hyperlipidemia on their A1C is 10, right? They're on insulin. I was like, but no, like inflammation's coming down, they're losing weight, their blood pressure is going down. Like, why am I putting my insulin, which does the exact opposite of that? So, you know, I think that was kind of my aha moment, which is like well before peptides really kind of came to the stage. You know, that was before you know Dr. Seeds formed SSRP. And I knew about things like BPC and TB4, like it was the GOP ones that really kind of got me into it. And then somewhere along the way, I kind of caught wind of people talking about other peptides. And I was like, wait a second, I know about peptides. They're they do really remaculous things. So off I went to SSRP and uh did my first peptide certification about four or five years ago. Wow.

SPEAKER_02:

Explain to the listeners like what is SRP?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, so yeah, SSRP is uh Dr. Bill Seeds' kind of scientific research performance education group, right? I think uh kind of basically to talk about the world of cellular medicine through the lens of peptide therapy, right? Um, sometimes you gotta give people what's sexy and and and exciting, right? And peptides are exciting and cool. Talking about cellular medicine and pathways and things that you can't pronounce and acronyms, right? Um I think Cover Seeds even knows he loses people at times, right? Um and I love getting lost in that. But not everyone likes getting lost in the window.

SPEAKER_02:

In the minutiae and the because it is, it's like you can go so deep into this. I mean, because peptides at their core, I mean, they are I I always say this, they're the language of the body. Language of the cell. And of the cell, even more. And that's actually Seeds said that this weekend, and I was like, you're right, not just language of the body, it's the language of the cell, which the cell is what then elicits any response that we actually have, which is so phenomenal. Um so when when you got into this then, and you made a good comment. You're like, I mean, half of the names you can't even pronounce when it comes to peptide, which is crazy. And and you say, you know, you kind of have to go with the sexy a little bit. And I think I'm actually happy about what's been happening with kind of these GLP ones lately. I mean, they get they've got a good rap, they've got a bad rap, it like flips and twists. But but the good I think that's coming from it overall is awareness. Awareness that that there is something there.

SPEAKER_00:

It's all about how you use it in terms of how it gets the good and bad, and that's transcends beyond GLP ones. Yeah, absolutely. Right. I mean, I can't tell you how many times I get a patient will come in and be like, yeah, that BPC didn't work. I was like, was that the actually right tool? Right. Right. And it's not as simple as I have knee pain and it's BPC. Right. Same thing, which is like it's not as simple as I want to lose weight, GLP one.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02:

Which leads me to then like you know, your practice and what you do with with with Vibe. I mean, you've I mean, from IV therapy, hormone application, and you're talking specifically about tools and you've kind of already been in this, like peptides need to become part of like your protocols. I mean, I'm assuming then from the beginning, you're like, like, I have to do this. Like, I have to make sure that they're a part of it. You can't really, in your mindset, it's I'm not gonna practice without it. Okay. And what was it then that was like, was it a personal experience within that? Was it a clinical experience? Dive a little in that for me.

SPEAKER_00:

So I think to unpack that, I was gonna have to go backwards because you're asking a little bit of of kind of why is that one of many tools in my toolbox? Yeah, right. And we've got 12 hours. We're good. If you're listening, just know we don't have 12 hours. But I won't go on too many rabbit holes, but you know, I actually came from this from the field in the lens of integrative medicine, right? So the the you know, the belief and and the founder kind of of that movement, Dr. Andrew Wilde, can do always a better job, more eloquent job of uh describing that. But the way I kind of describe it is it's kind of the the evidence-based use of all healing modalities that will elicit a healing response with a patient with a sound doctor-patient relationship, right? And peptides are just one of those tools in the toolbox, right? And I have all these other tools at VI that you're kind of eliciting or alluding to that I kind of combine together, right? And sometimes I may have in my head that, hey, the peptide is going to be a part of it. It's where in the sequence, where a part of the treatment plan will get introduced. Many times it's in the front part. Right. Right. Because of the tools that I have in my toolbox, the thing that moves the needle the quickest or gets the patient to start feeling a response is from a peptide. Right. And if I can get them to be bought into that treatment plan and see, then they're like, oh, what else? And why why is that? Uh you're you're modulating the cell. Yeah. Right. You're you're you're changing how the cell communicates and expresses. And um you're gonna see that translate a lot quicker than let's say we're just taking a curcumin supplement, right? And trying to downregulate inflammatory pathways and directly with something like curcumin.

SPEAKER_02:

And to me, man, you are an expert within this field. I mean, beyond me. To those that are listening, I'd love for you to just explain. I'm sure you've had this question. I mean, we hear right now in the media, like just the word peptides. You probably know where I'm going with this, but like, well, I've got this peptide supplement that I got from so-and-so, and they want me to join their group. I mean, talk about like network marketing and all these things, and these all we hear is peptides now. And I think a lot of people think that all peptides are quit created equal when they are not. So share with the listeners and and me. I mean, how how do you explain that? Where when somebody's like, well, I got my peptides at Walmart off the thing, or we could even go to GNC or we can go to Thorne, you know, or some of these other companies that are like, oh yeah, our peptide in a bottle, you know, compared to like true therapeutic peptides.

SPEAKER_00:

And it kind of stems from the same analogy in the the supplement space, right? Like we know there are studies out there that have gone and pulled supplements off the shelf and say, does it actually have what it says it has in there? Point one. Does it have fillers? Right. Does it actually have pharmaceuticals? Yeah. Does it have heavy metals? Right. And don't think for a moment that if that's not happening in the standard over the counter nutriceutical space, it's not happening in the peptide space. Like, don't kid yourself, right? And you get what you pay for. Right. All right. So I get patients to me come all the time. Yeah, I went online, I can get this bottle of BPC for$30. Why are you charging me double, triple that? Yeah. Right? Because I very much believe in the quality, looking at your certificate of analyses, making sure you know you have what actually says it has in there, as pure as you can possibly get it, uh, and not have kind of fillers or you know, environmental toxins that we're trying to address in patients to begin with, right? So, like what if I'm injecting something that has a heavy metal into you? Like, well, I'm trying to detox the body.

SPEAKER_02:

Which and I I'm I'm going a little off my own script here, but I think that's one big point that we really have to nail home in why I'm doing the peptide pulse, why I'm bringing people like you on here that that have a knowledge and expertise above the baseline biohacker, quite honestly. Because again, I got into this and understanding peptides to the point of like, I want people to, I want to help people heal. I want them to have access to something that actually is going to bring restoration, cellular communication, cellular language to get them from this dis-eased state to a more optimal healing state. Well, I don't think too many people realize that if they're just going online and buying something random from some place that maybe doesn't even come with a label on it and a little vial that's lyophilized, that they're actually gonna be causing more harm and more damage than if they're not doing that with somebody who understands that disease state and that wealth state and what path you need to do to get there.

SPEAKER_00:

And that's different for every individual, right? We just got done listening to Dr. Seeds give one of his rabbit hole talks that ultimately led up to like a pretty aha, you know, light bulb moment that I share with my nurse practitioner who came with, which is look, like that's the reason why Tesmorlin doesn't always work for every patient right away, right? Like you have to fix underlying mitochondrial dysfunction, right? So disease state. What is the true disease state? And, you know, um I I I like the awareness piece, right? I love the fact that patients are now coming in asking about it and they're open-minded about this. This is great. But you still have to be able to guide those individuals through this cellular language that, you know, sometimes I myself have a hard time grasping.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, it's it's incredible. The human body, I mean, uh, a hundred trillion cells, you know, if not more. You know, it's just we're trying to fathom what this mechanism is that we walk in every single day. And uh, yeah, it it blows my mind. And the truth is, you're you're absolutely right. I think, I mean, with that that point, like even just with Tesla Morlin, and you know, I've talked to enough people, like even something like semaglutide. It's like, why isn't that one not working? And to me, I sat there and I'm like, one dad's like, well, what if because our body already naturally makes these products? You know, I know that they're analogs and they can shift to have a longer, you know, half-life and span within the system, but I mean, there's one of those moments where I'm like, well, what if your body already had an issue with that specific analog, like that that was in your system? Well, of course it's not going to work. So we have to then, as practitioners, we have to shift, you know, and I always say at my events, I'm like, practice, practice makes what? And everyone goes, perfect. And I go, no, it makes improvement. It makes learning from mistakes. It is. And that's and I think that's one thing that a lot of a lot of people understand is even as practitioners, we're trying to learn as we go too and do the best that we can and offer the best solutions that we know. You know, I love one of the things that Dr. Seed says as well, you know, he talks about, you know, the health span. You know, we hear of longevity. And then he talks about health span. My last, I did a presentation on human optimization. I took it a step further and I go, well, what's your heel span? Like, how well are you actually healing? Because true health is defined by that word. You take the th off at the end and it's heal. Like, how well can we heal? And that's through that cellular communication. So it's uh, I love this, man. I geek out of this stuff all the time. I'm sure, I mean, even more than you.

SPEAKER_00:

I think you're you're stumbling upon back to your kind of original point, which is I think there's multiple layers to why somebody may not respond to it, right? And so, like, not all peptides and peptide sourcings are created equal. So that may be one of the things that are happening, but to your point, like what else is happening in the body, right? So, you know, I think I'd done lecturing yesterday around why people are non-GLP1 responders, right? So, and it may not just be, it may not be the fact, like, okay, you may actually have a quality peptide, right? And you got SIBO, small intestinal bacteria overgrowth, yeah, mucking up the whole system, right? You have inflammation and it's dis it's just throwing up the balance of the gut-brain communication, which is part of one of the mechanisms, one of the many mechanisms of a GLP one. So I think that's what gets lost when you just go online and start doing this kind of self-service, like here's my symptom. And how's different how how different is that from conventional medicine then? Right. Right? Symptom peptide.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I know. But yet it's made to be like this. Wait, hold up. You know, what are we actually doing? It's way out there. And it's not. And I mean, tell me about, I mean, even in clinic, clinical implementation, like how do you go about? I know you said you're you're the the guideline that you kind of go through. You don't, it's about placement, you know, with each patient and what you do. What does it typically look like for you when a new patient comes in? You know, like what's that process?

SPEAKER_00:

The lost art of a real conversation. Um, and I know like even as clinicians, we we think about uh, you know, when you talk to people who practice cellular integrative functional medicine, right? They're like, oh, I have an hour-long intake process, um, which is great because it affords you the time to ask questions that you wouldn't have otherwise. But one of the things that I kind of try to challenge back during my lectures is thinking through why are you asking questions and not just protocolizing those questions, right? So you're asking the same question, every person comes in. Like, yes, you do need to ask about certain antecedents and triggers and those things that we kind of learn, but kind of crafting that and correlating that to the patient to start kind of thinking through what are the cellular, what's the cellular dysfunction happening? And where do I need to go to start asking questions to initially probe for cellular dysfunction? Right. Right. And let that start to lead and guide your questions. So it starts with a real conversation. Yeah. And then for me, it has always been diagnostics. Will the diagnostics change my approach, change my management? One. And then two, even if it doesn't, will it help change the patient's buy-in or direction from that? So, you know, it's it's a a series of of pointed and guided questions thinking through kind of my not necessarily differential diagnosis, but my kind of cellular dysfunction, you know, pathway diagnosis, if you will. Um, and then once again you kind of bring the labs back in, bring those questions back in, one other layer is kind of the motivational interviewing piece of this question, right? Which is I always kind of joke when I taught uh to do a little small stint of academic medicine. Um, we won't go on that tangent, but I always kind of said, you know, have you addressed the patient's single most important concern? Right. So I know you're concerned and we've been taught to learn about, you know, you got to manage their diabetes and hypertension and hyperlipidemia, but if they came in there talking about their toe pain or their ingrown toenail, and you didn't address that, you're not gonna make any progress here, right? So I'm also kind of thinking through the lens of what is their goal and what's the most important thing for them to accomplish in life. And I need to make some sort of progress on that early on. Yeah. Right. Um, we just had a great case today by by Dr. Mata, who had, you know, this former Green Beret come in and was like, you know, I'm concerned about my strength. He had these crazy neurological symptoms going on, but didn't want anything to do with that. And Dr. Mata's like, I really want to go over here, but he's like, I'm gonna lose this guy if I don't make sure that he achieves his strength and physique goals. Right. And then he like snuck in some stuff, you know, some psalink and some max and oxytocin to make sure we kind of address some of the cognitive issues that were going on. So I think as we kind of transition to where your question was probably actually got, which is like, how do you start to formulate and pull these things together? I think you kind of get a look at the whole person, what are their goals, what's happening underneath at a cellular level, and where do I marry those two to make sure I get an initial buy-in and then I can start working on the cellular pathways that I actually want to.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah, I uh you know, I that I think it was Tony Robbins that I I heard in one of his, he was talking, and he goes, you know, AI doesn't work. And you hear everybody like, what are you talking about? AI doesn't work if you don't ask or tell it the right thing to do. And I think that it's to me, it's a lost art in in medicine. And I I don't care if it's well, I know it's completely lost in the traditional medical system right now, that communication is completely lost. I mean, you look at the system, you walk into a room, nobody looks at you, they hand you a clipboard, or now you're filling everything out online, and you literally walk in and sit in a room for an hour before you see somebody, and then you see somebody for two minutes and you're diagnosed with who knows what. And well, they've been on the computer the whole time. Right. And um but when it comes to even just integrated, I I don't like the word alternative because to me, that uh that traditional medical system of drug surgery, like to me, that's the alternative. Um but uh a true wellness care is it is it's all it's all based on the questions we asked to get to I I used to call it like the hot button. Like it could be the big toe, but it's not just the big toe, it's like what's the big toe keeping them from doing? You know, maybe it's going up and down the stairs because they live in a two-story house, they can't get to their bedroom. Playing golf, playing golf, picking up a grandchild, you know, and uh and I and I I love that that's how you how you practice and how you implement that because again, I think any sort of modality that we would utilize, whether it's IV therapy, hyperbaric peptides, if we can't get to what that is, I mean, we're just literally just throwing spaghetti on a wall. And and that doesn't tend to work too well. So, like what are some of your I'm gonna go into a little bit of like some some quick like rapid fire things for you, for your practice. You are and by the way, that that story though on the that marine, I mean that was a that was fascinating. That was fascinating. So, like, what's your go-to peptide stack for like resilience and energy? Peptide stack is always a hard one to answer, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Because we just get done talking about what's actually happening on the cellular surface. But you know, let's say we actually have an individual who comes in who's generally pretty healthy, right? Like we don't have a lot of dysfunction going on beneath the surface, right? Love a good growth hormone-releasing peptide, right? Tesmoralin, CJC epimorin. You're gonna see shifts quickly, right? Back to my original point, which is like you want buy-in and you want somebody to be like, oh wow, these peptides work, right? Like you're immediately gonna see deeper sleep, right? Better sleep restoration, wake up and somebody's gonna work out and they're gonna have more energy in the workout and they're gonna crush the workout. I mean, if you take an individual who's dragging through a workout, like they're doing all the right things, right? Right. And like they're just going through the motions and they just they feel terrible when they're in their gym, and like suddenly they can crush it in the gym, like that's a noticeable change. I'll take that. Right. Of the growth hormone, like, do you have a favorite? It depends on the patient, individual. I love it. I love that you're gonna this man sticks with what he's saying, and I love it too. For yourself, I was always told, I was always told by one of my attendees, if you want to sound smart, just say it depends. It depends. If you want to sound really smart, make sure you have a backup. Yeah. It depends. So, yeah, the the the patient that sits in front of me. So for me personally, um, I actually got overstimulated by CJC. I actually disrupt my sleep patterns. Like, you know, I was just I just felt a little overstimulated. Yeah, right. So I prefer a Tesmoralin. Um so that's kind of like my go-to, right? But if I have a guy who's in pretty good health and their focus is really like, you know, I'll see this all the time. Guys are like, hey, like I've kind of done some really off the reservation things, and I really want to like focus on better health here, but still I want to be, you know, I want to be muscular, I want to recover quick, like I want that same performance output. To me, CJC, a butamorin, some of those tools may be better. I have a female, on the other hand, who's gonna come in and say, like, hey, uh, you know, I want to go on this weight loss journey. I'm definitely not gonna probably use an abutamorin, right? Right. Where I'm gonna gain lots of muscle mass, stimulate appetite, right? I'm gonna use something a little more gentle, like some moralin, or maybe even a tismorlin. I found if I use CJC hippamorlin on woman, they get a little bit more of that fluid retention, they kind of puff up and then they get really mad at me. So like, wait a second, we're we're going the wrong way here. Growth hormone releasing peptide, but it depends on the patient sitting in front of me.

SPEAKER_02:

Right, absolutely. Um most common mistake that you see in in clinicians and like early peptide implementation. I think we've hit on this a few times, but let's let's go straight for that one.

SPEAKER_00:

Back to that symptom matching peptide, and you know, like that's conventional medication.

SPEAKER_02:

So with that, like, I mean, there's conferences like like seeds, you know, that help you to really understand the language of the cell. Understand the language of the cell, which I think is the most important part because uh again, I there's so many. I had one clinician once, like, how do you get the powder into the vial, into the syringe? Sorry, I just missed the point. I'm like, hold up. Um, I don't I think I don't think you're ready yet. So let's step back a couple. But um here's a good one. I I love this. What peptides surprised you the most with a clinical impact that you've seen?

SPEAKER_00:

First time using cerebral lysin. Okay. First time using cerebral lysin. Um had a post-stroke patient about a year out from his stroke. Conventional medicine kind of wrote him off. Wow. Right. Um, he was a well-to-do business owner in his 50s, um, accompanied by his wife. And he's like, I I just want to go back to work. And he uh struggled to the point almost in tears, just trying to articulate that conversation because the expressive aphasia just took him so long, so he couldn't actually work. He walked in like in a wheelchair. Right. Um I was like, I I have to help this gentleman. Right. Like this is a very successful business owner, and he just wants to go back to work, right? And Kimesh Mazan was like, Yeah, you've you've exceeded all the PTOT that we can offer you. Like, this is as good as it gets. Um how many of those patients do you see? Um, a fair amount. I was gonna say that's probably fair amount. So there's there's that extreme, and then there's the other extreme or just you know, just just straight gas lit to begin with. Yeah. So, you know, in my mind, kind of coming back to this idea of like a synthesizing tools, right? Hyperbaric oxygen was gonna be an immediate, like, I have to do this with this patient. I wanted to explore the potential of neurofeedback therapy in this patient. And I was like, I gotta do some cerebral lysin, right? And up in this point, like you know, it's still earlier in my journey of peptide therapy. Um, and I'll be am I allowed to cuss on this podcast? Yeah, you're good. You're good. I'll be damned if within several weeks, lots of hyperbaric oxygen, several cerebral lysins infusions, you know, and this is happening while you know my nursing staff is taking care of administering the IVs and my wellness guides are doing the hyperbaric oxygen. And, you know, my lead nurse came back to me. He's like, this guy's having a full-on conversation with me. Full-on conversation. Um, and then now he he comes in with just a brace support. So he went from the wheelchair to a walker to a cane to just some brace supports. It just stuff like that, man, is just it hits me.

SPEAKER_02:

I mean, I so I I'll cry at a commercial that has kids on it. I mean, it's just me. But like I I sit here and I'm like, everybody should know about this. How many people are just written off? I mean I've been through journeys of Lyme disease, you know, chronic mold issues, stroke, neurodegenerative disorders that you just want to you just want to kind of yell as loud as you can to the world and be like, there are other things out there. There's something that can be done. And uh that's incredible, man. So a year post-stroke and this man went from wheelchair to walk in.

SPEAKER_00:

How's he doing today? He's doing fantastic. So he's he has gone be able to get back into doing work. One of his hobbies and his loves and passions was restoring cars.

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Wow.

SPEAKER_00:

Um, so kind of getting back to a little bit of that and going to car shows again, which is kind of that passion. Um, so it's kind of fantastic to see that.

SPEAKER_02:

What what does his follow-up look like uh in your practice?

SPEAKER_00:

Yes, go ongoing. We've actually kind of kind of changed a little bit of the focus now. So kind of incorporating some other peptides. So dihexa, we've kind of added into to his mix just to get a little bit more kind of the cognition kind of focus, kind of connecting the dots a little bit quicker. Um, we do do ongoing hyperbaric oxygen. So we went from a very intense daily down to once or twice a week, right? Um, and still doing neurofeedback. Um, we're constantly remapping the brain, seeing what are other areas we want to focus on optimizing for.

SPEAKER_02:

Um, so still cerebral lysin stopped on that. Do you I mean, because I do hear people say, like, I mean, once you're on one thing, you've always got to be on it, but I don't think that's the truth.

SPEAKER_00:

I cycled through that. Yeah. Right. So we definitely spend some time doing some mitochondrial optimization. Yeah. Right. So some odd S in the mix. So kind of cycling back through, but we've kind of come back to cerebral lysin kind of more than once. Nice.

SPEAKER_02:

Awesome, man. One piece of advice for clinicians hesitant to actually step into the peptide realm and go.

SPEAKER_00:

One of the questions I always get asked is I'm concerned about my medical license. A lot of these things aren't FDA approved. And I usually turn back and say, okay, tell me how much of what you're currently doing in your practice is FDA approved. Right. Um in the space of integrative functional regenerative medicine, you know, a lot of times we're we're doing things that are conventional tools, but they're a little bit off label, right? Um hormone replacement therapy. Point to me where the use of testosterone in females is FDA approved. Right. So kind of, you know, that's a little bit of my reframe, which is okay, there's you know, some things that are just so far out there that FDA is like, like, do not do this, right? Um, and then there's things that are kind of a little bit in the gray. Um, and then if you have to kind of back up and say, first do no harm, right? Yeah. So like, is going down and using one of these tools going to cause harm? Yeah. And I think every clinician you talk about, the one of the things they love about peptide therapies is the impact for harm is so low. I had one of the attendees come up and say, nobody really talked about side effects of peptides. I looked at them and I was like, there's a reason for that.

SPEAKER_02:

I my my joke always, they're like, what are the side effects of this? Which one are you talking about? Like you change KCU. I go, okay, uh, well, um better hair, better skin, better nails, better longevity, um increased nerve function, you know, restoration. They're like, well, wait a second. We live in such a a medical dogmatic system that like it is, it's like it's like this is the only way. And if you even step out of that, it's like, I mean, you're gonna go to jail. You know, but there's certain things you shouldn't do. There's certain things you shouldn't do. But like it's still it's this point of like, you know, even our concept of a side effect. Like, what if we started to think of side effects in the realm of functional medicine and healing as positive things as opposed to the negative, but medicine has ingrained in us so much it's because we listen on commercials and we hear all these things, and you have a two minute commercial and then a four minute side effect commercial that's attached right to it. It's like, oh, take this to stop diarrhea, but you're gonna you're gonna bleed out of your mouth and nose. Well, wait a second, hold up. And I always love the first one. And if you're Allergic to this medication, don't take it. Wait, how do I? But yeah, I mean, that just your case and point really is is I mean, the safety profile.

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And then you get the flip from the safety. I think the other thing that's kind of stuck on the back of their head is, you know, am I going to get sued by my patient? Like what happens if there's an adverse effect? Yeah. Am I going to get sued? Right. Because that's always drilled into our brain, right? Am I going to get sued for this? And um I always kind of flip around, turn around, like, you know, we know the actual literature and studies. Like who actually gets sued by their patients? It's clinicians who blow you off, right? Don't kind of develop a good therapeutic relationship and rapport. Those are the people that get sued, not the people who who make mistakes, right? I think sometimes that we forget even as clinicians, like we're human. We are. Patients definitely forget that we're human. Right. Um, but um, I I think when you actually approach with a real human relationship as a doctor, that dynamic changes. They realize it's like, oh yes, like they're they're doing the absolute best they can. And when you come from the conventional space to work with a cellular medicine practitioner, right, and you have an open, honest conversation around, hey, like, here's what you've been offered so far in the conventional space, here are the additional tools I have, here's what the available research is, here's where the limitations are. And you have that open conversation, um, it starts to kind of shift. Yeah.

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Well, I think that, and then uh to me, the other part of that is there are those clinicians that, and I say this loosely but very strictly in a sense, they overpromise. They're sitting there and saying, you know, BPC 15, um, that's gonna heal that arthritis in your knee. So all of a sudden that patient, I mean, it's it's misrepresentation and it's actually lying to somebody. But yeah, so there's being transparent about what we understand about exactly. Yeah. Um, and I think, I mean, I my my background is chiropractic. I mean, I'll tell you, chiropractors destroyed it. Sorry, if you're losing your chiropra, I'm sorry, but we destroyed a lot of the the hope when it comes to cellular regenerative medicine, stem cells and things like that, just because too many chiropractors were trying to make a quick buck, quite honestly, and just throwing it into practice and using it so loosely in marketing, you know. Hey, we're gonna heal this, we're gonna do this. And uh, and you can't do that. You just can't. When you zoom out, like from where you're at right now and where the space is, what do you want the next generation of providers? Man, you you're a true entrepreneur. I mean, we didn't even get into all the different levels of what you have and what you do. Um, I mean, I respect every single thing that you've done. It's incredible. And it's even funny how we got connected. We see each other at conferences all the time. All the time. Recognize each other. I know. We're always like running into each other. And and then I was on the phone with one of the clinics that I work with, and like your team was behind me, and she was talking, and they're hearing their name and back and forth, and you walk out. And but like, where do you see the future of this? This next generation of of providers that are coming up, like when it comes to this space. I mean, obviously, I talk a lot about peptides, the pulse of this industry. I think we're now to to me, and I'm let's just so I'm kind of jumping in here, but like it's going beyond peptides. Like it's it's now because it was always like just the peptide thing, but I think it's the true cellular side of things as where I I see things going. But um tarot season talk about non-peptide tools all the time, right?

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah. Feeding and healing the gut, right? Then pterocytes, right? Talking about ketone esters. Yeah. Right. So like there's there's a lot of these other tools, right, um that that aren't just peptides, and that's you know, I think kind of s broadening the lens of cellular medicine. But to your question, like like where I see this as kind of next generation, uh, I think it's we're still not at the point of what we're talking about here today is anywhere early on in the medical education.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And it's kind of flipped the the first time I got can like last time I can remember talking about cellular medicine is first year of medical school. Right. And that's pretty much heads down, white knuckle, get through as many lectures as you can in a day, take an exam every four weeks, just so you can take another big exam so you can finally start seeing patients. Right.

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Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Right. And you forget pretty much everything that happened that first two years. Oh, yeah. Right.

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It's like a black hole that you were in.

SPEAKER_00:

So, but unfortunately, like we're not anywhere near where that's kind of woven in. Yeah. Like you're not that we don't talk about those cellular pathways when you are on rounds um and seeing patients, and it just kind of gets lost and swept under the rug. So I'd love for it to see that change and have this language kind of talked about. Yeah. Right. But I mean, I think short of that, uh, how can we start reaching physicians earlier on in their career? You know, I don't like the kind of current dynamic that so many times you're seeing, you know, people either have to get burnt out, have their own health crisis, or just get totally screwed over by the man, you know, by one of the large healthcare organizations that's bought up every practice out there before they're like, there has to be a better way to this. And then they start exploring that. So how do we shift that? If we're not going to make change in medical school education, yeah. How do we kind of start infusing this a little earlier on in people's careers before they hit one of those events? So would you say that you actually learned the things that you've learned once you got out of medical school? I mean, you're a good thing. I'm a little unique. I'm a little unique in the sense of that you know, I walked into medical school. We can kind of get a little into that origin story, but I walked into medical school looking from the lens of I'm going to medical school because I'm going to learn about how to optimize health and human performance. That's rare, man. That is that was like why I went to medical school, right? I left actually.

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That's why I went to chiropractic school.

SPEAKER_00:

And so I left a job working as an athletic, uh, I managed an athletic development center. Okay. Right. And I left that. I was starting to, I kind of was getting ready to kind of launch my career as a professional multi sport athlete. Um, and I left that to go to medical school. And I got to medical school, I was like, what am I, what am I doing here? Like, this is not about health, health optimization. Yeah. Um, so you know, along the way, I kind of, you know, realized that this is not about it. And I was looking in the landscape, like, who's talking about this, you know, at that point in time? And I'm I'm not young, but I'm not old. Right. So this was before some of this stuff was really starting to kind of become talked about. Like functional medicine movement wasn't really launched or born yet, you know, cellular medicine, SSRP, not around, right, when I was going through medical school. But the space of integrative medicine kind of started to become evolved. So I tracked myself to do medical school electives. I chose a residency program that had integrative medicine training. I immediately left residency and did an integrative medicine fellowship. During fellowship, I did all my FAM training and then kind of stumbled upon SSRP, like we talked about earlier. So you know, a little unique in the sense that like, like I just that was my my lens from looking at the world, and I immediately kind of gravitated towards places that at least spoke that language of the body has this innate capacity to heal itself if given the right tools. Absolutely. Peptides are one of them.

SPEAKER_02:

Peptides are one of them. And then that's that's the next question here. So like people don't have to choose, and I think it's it's this thing. I mean, I was sitting here thinking earlier, and I'm like, wait, so peptides aren't a magic bullet? Which I think so many people do think they are. Um I I don't think uh in any form of medicine there is such a thing as a magic bullet, even though there is so much, in a sense, hope in this world of from biotech and and everything that's that we look at, people want a magic bullet. So we live in a microwave society. We want everything now, we want a quick fix. I don't think it's ever gonna happen. The body and cell is too complex. It's way too complex. It's it's it's more complex than any supercomputer that's in this world. And we expect to have a quick fix and a and a quick change, and it's just not gonna happen, unfortunately. But um, this is this is incredible. I I'm truly, again, I'm honored that you decided to come on. That I'm the first, you're this man first, right here. So live and in person, here we go. Man, Doc, thank you so much uh for taking your time. I know you're a busy man. I mean, running multiple companies, seeing patients, um, to sit down with me um and to be here on the peptide pulse to share your knowledge, your expertise. And um, how could people get a hold of you if they have questions?

SPEAKER_00:

Best place is probably the the website, um viableness.com forward slash get started. Okay. Um, yeah, so it's a place you can kind of submit what's going on kind of in your life. So if you're kind of a patient in the world singing a licado, I use peptides among other things. Um if you're a clinician, kind of looking to figure out, hey, how do I kind of build out a successful back end of my business and and incorporate IV therapies and peptides and hormones, um, that was kind of the ideology of starting and founding infusive. So clinicians kind of looking to figure out a little bit more how to grow than uh goinfusive.com is probably the place to check in. Perfect. Awesome. Doc, thank you so much, truly.

SPEAKER_02:

I'm gonna we're gonna get off of this and I'm I'm gonna give the guy a hug. I'm just like, this is lay off the oxytocin. Yeah, so I didn't take my oxytocin today. Uh, but uh thank you, brother. So um thank you so much for listening. Uh I'm Dr. Adam Bounder again, the peptide researcher. Thank you for listening to the peptide pulse. Until next time.