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The Peptide Pulse — Episode 4: Beyond Physician: Dr. Steve Matta on Pain, Peptides, and Performance

• Dr. Adam Boender

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🎙️ In Episode 4 of the Peptide Pulse, Dr. Adam Boender sits down with Dr. Steve Matta — a functional medicine expert — to uncover what really works when it comes to chronic pain, peptides, and recovery.

Dr. Matta breaks down the connection between mindset and inflammation, when surgery is necessary vs. avoidable, and how PRP, peptides, and lifestyle shifts can help patients truly heal — not just manage pain.🎯 

What you’ll learn:
 – The psychology behind chronic pain
 – Why Dr. Matta uses peptides + PRP together
 – When surgery is overprescribed
 – What most chiropractors miss
 – Regenerative tools that actually work🧠 


This one’s for anyone who's tried everything and is still in pain.

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SPEAKER_00:

Welcome back to the Peptide Pulse. I am Dr. Adam Bounder. I am the Peptide Research, and this is where innovation meets implementation. And I'm super excited today because I've got somebody sitting next to me that you all want to hear from. And you don't know it yet, but you definitely do. This is Dr. Steve Matta. He is not just a physician, he's actually a regenerative architect. You heard me right. This man does magic and practice for his patients with certifications in family medicine, sports medicine, and stem cell therapy. And he has his MBA. You know why I'm reading this? I'm reading it because there's so much here. And again, I am so honored to have you here. Let's keep going. He's leading Philadelphia's meeting point health with a model that blends functional medicine, peptides, IV therapy, regenerative injections, and movement medicine, which is so true to my heart as a chiropractor. I love that implementation. Today, what we're going to do is we're going to explore how peptides fit into this larger strategy to help restore, repair, and rebuild the body to ultimately bring human potential and human functional optimization. Steve, man, thank you for being here.

SPEAKER_01:

Thank you. That was that was an awesome intro. I'm going to steal this regenerative architect. Do it, man. You should. When people are going to ask, like, what kind of doctor are you? Well, I'm a regenerative architect. You know what?

SPEAKER_00:

Actually, you're joking, but take it, please, because I I it's always what about set you aside, right? Right. And I think that's the biggest thing in this industry, even when we talk about peptides, I mean, that's another thing that set you aside. And you know, I I we're here this weekend, and I've brought in a couple other physicians. I heard you speaking on stage, man. And you uh there's there at most medical conferences, I'll just tell you, you've been to plenty. I've been to plenty. Half the time we want to fall asleep. Um you were on stage and I I've spoken all of the world. Um just the way that you spoke and presented and shared your stories of what you do in practice. Um, honestly, I just I had to have you on this podcast, you know, because your passion, it it it shines when you're up there. And if you don't know that, I wanted you to know that for sure. Thank you. That's very kind of you. Um I'm glad that I ran into you because I after you got off, I knew I was gonna come up to you and I was gonna be like, hey, would you come do a podcast? And then I didn't think I was gonna see you, and and then I drug you up here uh to this room. Um and we're here, and and I'm so blessed again. So uh I I would really love just to hear a little bit about your story. Like, how did you get in to man, you the the titles that you have at the end of your name? I'm just like how where did that come from?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, well, yeah, thanks for asking that. You know, man, it's been such a journey. Um you know, I I I talked about this a little bit in the talk, but um, you know, sports was my my life uh when I was in high school and you know, I was a high school athlete, and I just loved it. You know, besides the like you know, um accomplishments in soccer and and whatnot, you know, I just love playing any sports, tennis or or um basketball, pickup football, whatever it was. Um, you know, went to went to Duquesne University for undergrad, kind of was already on the pre-med track. My father was a doctor, you know, growing up first generation. You know, you could either be uh a doctor, a pharmacist, a lawyer, or an engineer. That's pretty much all you could. Um and went on that track, went to med school. I'm a I'm a DO, so proud to have gone to Philadelphia College of Osteopathic Medicine. Um and I'd say about halfway through med school, I found out about primary care sports medicine, and I thought, this is great. You know, I get to be a sports medicine doctor, you know, combining my love of sports and uh, you know, I'm a doctor at the same time. Um went through my training in family medicine. And, you know, as you're kind of gearing to be a sports medicine doctor, so I'm a primary care sports medicine doctor. Um you uh you're you're you know, I'm I'm learning different things, and uh I'm doing rotations in orthopedics and primary care sports medicine, and I'm thinking, okay, when I get to fellowship, I'm gonna learn how to like assess pain and treat pain. And I I get to fellowship and and I'm going through my training and I still don't understand. I'm like, what the heck's going on here? Now, what's interesting was um I I did uh a rotation actually in in physical therapy, and um I remember this uh uh this clinic, they were doing these things like movement screens and talked about this guy, Grey Cook, and I didn't understand enemy, but what I was impressed with with was their assessment. I was like, this guy knows how to assess the body way better than I do, and I'm supposed to be the sports medicine specialist. So I finished fellowship and um at the same time, you know, our family's growing. Um I'm uh at this point, uh I'm married to my beautiful wife. We have an already uh two kids by the end of uh residency fellowship. And uh personally, you know, little things are lingering up. You know, I I sprain my uh I tear my planar fascia. I had planar fasciitis. I was just getting into running and I couldn't run because of my heel pain. And I um, you know, I'm I'm I'm in my sports fellowship. And so what's the treatment? I get I get a steroid injection, and it feels good, and uh I'm able to run. And three months later, the pain comes right back, and I'm like, shoot, what do I do now? So that didn't fix it. So um, and and just like my general health was very important, you know, the impact of having children and and just realizing, shoot, I need to be healthy uh years later. So all this kind of came together at the same at the same time. Um, did like honestly, just like a year working with a private practice, and I was like, this is not what I want to do. I don't like this conventional medicine stuff. Uh, and just at the same time, I I go to this uh acupuncturist uh who fixes my heel pain in like four visits. I'm like, something's going on here. So, you know, I I'm the sports medicine doctor. I'm supposed to be able to assess the pain, I'm supposed to be able to treat the pain, and my tools suck. You know, this this steroid injection just isn't isn't working out. Uh so all these kind of things are coming together at the same time. Um, so uh about a year later, I'm at this um uh this gym and this this really uh really neat uh strength and conditioning coach um does this thing called a functional movement screen on me. And and then he gives me these exercises, and I'm like, what is this stuff? And he's like, listen, you need to get into this and you need to go to Gray Cook's course, selective functional movement assessment, and you need to learn this stuff. And so I've I listened to his advice and I I I do the SM SFMA, uh, I then did Tideless Performance Institute, I did neurokinetic therapy, and I'm like learning this paradigm of movement and medicine. Yeah and this is like super cool. Um and at the same time, um, I'm kind of getting into health and I started a plant-based diet. Um I was honestly got it, it was because I was loving running and I'm like listening to on on my runs, I'm listening to these audiobooks and just go after book after book. And um Scott Jurik had a plant-based um, well, he was a ultra marathon runner and he was on a plant-based diet and talking about plant-based diet. I was like, wow, this is pretty cool. And then Rich Roll, also uh sort of ultra marathon, ultra endurance um athlete, also has a book talking about plant-based diet. And then Rich Roll comes out with this podcast in like 2011, 2012. And you know, Ben Greenfield's on, and and and uh Dave Asprey, I believe, was was on, and all these interesting characters, and then learn Ben Greenfield has a podcast. So and then and now you're on a podcast. Yeah, right, exactly. Now I'm on a podcast, full circle. So, and then people like Dr. Uh Seeds is on the on Ben's podcast, and all these all these crazy things are are coming all at the same time, and I'm just like absorbing all of it. I'm loving it because it's the opposite of what I was into. Um, and uh yeah, just from then it uh it it really evolved into what I call my medicine. I mean, you know, uh it it was neat because I, you know, uh as much as I kind of diss the conventional paradigm, it it's still very useful. Uh, you know, it's great. I get, you know, I can read MRIs, and you know, I'm still trained as a sports medicine doctor, so still familiar with sports medicine. So I have that whole paradigm and I can build on that with with functional movement assessment. I can I can know why they're in pain, I can assess their pain, uh, and then I start bringing on these other tools. You know, I I had the the hands-on manipulation skills from osteopathic school. Um, my wife was in acupuncture school. So, so uh, you know, after I finished all that, we were like, oh, you got to do this. So she went to acupuncture school, but then we were like, well, how you got to do this too. So I I went and got my own medical acupuncture training, um, contemporary acupuncture in in um at McMaster University in in Canada. And so now I'm able to actually have some tool. And I had started also a little bit with prolotherapy and and that evolved eventually to uh you know PRP, stem cell therapy. Uh and and then we add on ultrasound, and it was just this like neat, it was really cool. Like I, you know, if I had a like if if my whatever, you know, 30-year-old self or 25-year-old self would have been able to look at this, you know, my my current self and and know that this kind of job is out there, he'd want to talk to me, you know, and be like, this is early. We couldn't. Exactly, exactly. So yeah, I mean, I'm I feel like super blessed right now to be able to do the the medicine I do. It's it's super cool, by the way. It's it's really neat to be, you know, I love doing assessments, especially if someone's like really into what I do. Yeah, I love I I love just kind of like figuring out like where are the pieces, you know, where are the pieces involved, and then coming up with this plan. And you know, now we have multiple tools. We have regenerative medicine, we have peptide medicine, cellular therapies, uh infusion therapies, which are phenomenal, and uh and still manipulation and acupuncture, I still use it all. So yeah, it's really cool.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it. I mean, you're obviously you're a continual learner, yeah. And I love it. You know, I always have told people um when we sit down, because people use the phrase, you know, knowledge is power. And I said, you know, we think that, but actually it's the application of that knowledge that is the true power.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Because we can hold on to the knowledge all we want, but if we're not utilizing it and sharing it, what good is it? And and so I I I love your journey because it's it's one of continued seeking not just what's the best for you, but what's the best for those that you're serving. Right. And uh, and I think that's a beautiful thing. Where where was it that like you had the aha moment for peptides within your practice and or even for yourself?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. There was some um yeah, through Ben Greenfield's podcast that had a little that started a little bit. Once again, I hadn't heard Dr. Seeds on the podcast. Uh, there are others. There was a peptide summit, uh, I believe it's uh Dr. Talks or something like that. That was that was pretty um that was that that was pretty helpful, but it still like was barely enough for me to mess around with uh for myself. Yeah, so um I had been getting these emails through the SSRP um advertising their courses. Once again, I at this point I had I'd been familiar with Dr. Seeds. Uh and then I I finally like signed up. You know, of course, you you're sucker for their free, you know, module, uh their like one module with peptide foundations. And I heard yeah. It's like oh get the free one and then you gotta pay for the other 10. Uh and worth every penny. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So I heard even the free one, and I was like, oh, that's how I want to learn peptide medicine. Uh and and man, I can talk about like loving to learn. I just I think I whipped through uh I'm I'm pretty sure I whipped through the peptide foundations in a day. Like I'm I'm I'm I'm almost certain I I went through it all in a day. It's funny because I I've talked to um uh I've talked to the the uh SSRP group and they were like some people barely get through like three modules. And I was like, are you kidding? Uh so that was that was definitely like, oh yeah, this this can be like really, really good medicine.

SPEAKER_00:

So so you said so you were watching that first module and you're like, uh, like okay. What was it about the first module and and peptide therapeutics that like what was that exact moment?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so it was the fact that it wasn't it wasn't like a supplement or you know, it wasn't just like take magnesium, take glutathione. It was the fact that we're we're dealing with the cell here. You know, I've always been the why guy, the why kid, like why, why, why, why? And the fact that, like, okay, this is making a cellular change, and um, you know, there's a reason for it, that's what did it for me.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, I, you know, through life and and we've all had our journeys. I mean, I'm 62, so um, I know, right? Wow, not really I'm 44, but I do tell people peptides and regenerative medicine do this. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Uh that's the one that I get laughs on stage. Yeah, you got the one with methylene blue. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, exactly.

SPEAKER_00:

Exactly. Um, but I I I've even switched it even more to like there's the whys, but I've been moving more to towards like the what.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Because even in in medicine, and I think that's I think that's where peptide therapeutics is moving as well, as what is it actually doing? You know, why is the body doing this? And what is it that the peptides are going to do to then transition that?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, that's the cool thing about peptides. You know, what I always like to bring it back to is that, you know, they've done studies on um in utero, right? And, you know, they'll they'll they'll uh they'll operate on the baby's in utero, uh, whether if there's like a spina bifida, and they come out with no scar. Even like and I believe you said uh um oh, you were sharing with me uh our mutual friends got a newborn, right? So when our kids were like, you know, six months old, a year old, if they cut themselves or whatever, they heal super fast. So our bodies have this innate ability to repair, right? But you know, there's there's tons of I mean we'll just stem cells, they're just stem cells and our peptides are like super strong and active at that at that young, young age. So so the the the key point there is that we have this innate ability to to heal and repair. It's there, it's there. And over time, over decades, that that dwindles decade by decade. And the the beauty of peptide medicine and regenerative medicine is that we're just tapping into that self-healing capability. As a DO, this is like one of our principles, right? Is that the body is capable of self-healing. The body is a unit, and we just have to tap into that pathway. And so, you know, this is the the the reverse of that as a pharmaceutical, it's just like we we talk about band-aid solutions. You so much of it is unfortunately blunting that natural response versus and and this prolotherapy was pretty pivotal too. Um, I'll give a shout out to um uh a leader in the field of regenerative medicine, Dr. Brian Scheipel. I had the opportunity to uh do a rotation with him in med school in 2006. And he, you know, this is the first time I heard of, saw prolotherapy. And the fact that we they were like, it's kind of the opposite of a steroid injection. Instead of taking away inflammation, we're inducing inflammation to help the body heal. And I was like, this is super cool. And then he had all these patients that uh were having chronic pain and doing better, and it wasn't a steroid injection. And I was like, this is awesome. This is what I think we should be doing.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I mean it's the concept of the hormetic effect, you know, minor stresses. You know, so many people talk about, you know, inflammation's bad inflammation. Well, inflammation is actually the healing process. It's the it's the chronicity of that inflammation or the dysregulation of the communication of the cells that creates the issue or that state of dis-ease, which we then all know is disease. That's right. You know, and all we have to do is we we need to just reconnect the pieces. I talk about peptides in and of themselves. They are the the the cellular language of the body.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think it's just a beautiful thing. And I I've I've done a few presentations on like human optimization, human potential. And, you know, when you talked about my my first when I first started, I was stem cells exosomes, and I thought, man, now I'm in peptides. It's like a perfect flow through because stem cells release exosomes. What are exosomes comprised of? Proteins, peptides, mRNA, microRNA, all these really cool things. Right. And we just keep getting down to more and more specificity. And I think that's the beautiful thing about where I believe medicine is moving.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

And we have to continue to share this type of information to help others get there, you know?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, that's it's interesting when you mentioned about inflammation. Like, you know, the the term reactive oxygen species, you know, it's it's all it's like, oh, you gotta block it, you gotta block it. It's like, hold on a second. Yeah, these are our messengers. If we don't use some of these cytokines, I mean, we're talking about stopping cytokines, stopping cytokines, cytokines and inflammatory.

SPEAKER_00:

So listeners, tell tell them what like reactive oxygen species, cytokines, what are those things?

SPEAKER_01:

So these are like messengers in the body. These are like um, you know, intraleukins and uh complements that uh are responsible for uh you know triggering your white blood cells to come to the area or in an injury, they communicate with um your local stem cells to bring healing and repair. So you think of like an ankle sprain, you know, um actually the the because because I do PRP, I talk about this all the time, you know, as soon as you cut yourself, your your your body immediately is trying to stop that that bleeding from happening. So your platelets go to the area. We know platelets are meant to stop bleeding, and as soon as the platelets um go and plug up that wound, there's these alpha granules within the platelets that send reactive oxygen species, they send messengers, these messengers that talk to your local fibroblasts, your local stem cells to come and heal right away. So, but you know, it there are these messengers those MSCs that people talk about. Exactly. And that's the thing is the the stem cells are right there, like they're literally right next to the wound. Like your fibroblasts, the the MSCs that are meant to eventually make that skin whole again, need a need a signal to to to to get recruited to the area. So the recruiters, um, they're also like whenever you sprain your ankle and ankle swells up, those are those are cytokines, those are reactive oxygen species that uh that are flooded into the area. Well, once again, if you have an infection, you want reactive oxygen species to talk to your what blood cells to kill that thing. So, you know, we need reactive oxygen species, but unfortunately, well, you know, listen, if if it's too much, yes, they're still they're still harmful, they're still inflammatory. If there's too much cytokines, that's not that's not a good thing. We don't want too much, but we don't want zero at the same time. We need, and especially in in regenerative medicine and peptide medicine, we need reactive oxygen species. And and and we also do ozone therapy. And ozone creates creates reactive oxygen species. We call them ozonites or whatever, but that's essentially what happens is that ozone combines with the water, the lipids, um, and the albumin in our blood and creates these reactive oxygen species. They're, you know, these downstream ozonites, and and those are what talk to our mitochondria that talk to uh our white blood cells to do what they do. That's the benefit uh you know you get from all these therapies. So yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

So so we're talking now about the body basically in a state of dis-ease or chaos. Share with me some stories, some some clinical stories. I I I already know which one I want to hear uh because you've already shared it here here at this conference, but where peptides have played a role um in really creating a calm. And it's not even a calm, because like you said, you don't want to be at zero with this. So your body, I think this is one of the biggest misconceptions in our in health. When when we have pain, when we have dysfunction, all that is is our body telling us something is wrong.

SPEAKER_02:

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

We may not know exactly what it is, but again, I I I love peptides because it's not like we're telling them what to do. They go in and they they have it's it's like that lock and key mechanism. It knows where to go, it knows what to do. So I I'd love to hear some some actual clinical stories where there's been that that chaos in the system and and even some maybe a surprise story of where you've utilized peptides and you've seen transformation even unexpectedly.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, yeah. Um yeah, I I was just sharing this story. Um so this is this is my favorite story, 18-year-old um volleyball athlete. Uh so uh going back, I I I knew the mom. I had treated the mom. I treated um her this athlete, so the female athlete treat treated her brother. Um, and I treated her as well. So I treated her for her her her knee pain in the past. And so I knew the family, like they were near and dear. And um, so so she comes in uh uh she's senior year, she comes in in a walking boot, and I'm like, oh that what's going on? And uh they tell me the story. She had played uh she so she had played a season uh uh of of of uh of uh uh I believe volleyball her volleyball high school volleyball season was in the fall, and she had overdone it, and uh she had started to develop what she thought was shin splints, and they never went away. She went to the orthopedist and they took an x-ray and they said it's a stress fracture. Now she's in she's definitely an elite athlete. She's got D1 schools all uh like uh knocking down her door, and she's um she's got two national AAU tournaments coming up where there's gonna be a lot of D1 schools, and and this is gonna like dictate her life basically. And um so when they went to the orthopedist, he basically said, Listen, you need eight weeks in a boot and you're not gonna make these tournaments. And um, so they walk in and and and I and I see and talk to them, and they're like, Dr. Matta, is there anything you could do? So I I I I examine her, I see the MRI, sure enough, there's stress fracture, confirmed it also with the ultrasound, and I was like, listen, um, you know, we have peptide therapy, and uh, you know, now a stress fracture is basically a situation where, you know, you you have these two things going on in bone, bone building and bone breaking down, osteoblast and osteoclast. So stress fracture is a situation where there's too much osteoclastic activity happening because of all this repetitive stress to the area. So uh I said, we can maybe use these peptides to really help build the bone and speed up uh speed up recovery. Uh, but no promises. But I had actually had a couple of cases that that went pretty well before her, so I was pretty optimistic. She was super dialed in, super clean, and uh I felt like uh this might work. So so uh I put her on uh BBC 157 and GHKCU and I said, listen, you gotta do these twice a day, inject right near the the fracture site, and you gotta stay in the boot and then just follow up with orthopedics, we'll see what they say. Um so it full transparency, I hadn't I hadn't um seen her for a little bit after that. I didn't know what happened, but mom came back in actually with the son uh a few months later, and I was like, What happened to her? You know, and she's like, Dr. Mata, you're never gonna believe this story. She's like, I went to the orthopedic. We went back to the orthopedist, we did everything we said. We did all the peptides twice a day, kept staying the boot, otherwise rested. We went back to the orthopedist, and the orthopedist uh pulls up the x-ray, and uh uh um so so so they had done the peptides for four weeks, uh, and it was four weeks later, and and the orthopedist pulls up the uh x-ray, and he's like in shock and awe. He like can't believe what he's seeing that the fracture is healed. And uh the mom said, you know, uh, well, can can can she play? And she said that he was almost like upset about it. He was like begrudgingly like, yeah, like he couldn't believe that this medicine could work. Right. So great cool story is that she she she's released, she plays in both tournaments, gets a D1 scholarship, and is now playing D1 volleyball. Like, like that's like the coolest thing, you know. Like the fact that this medicine can like really change someone's life is like phenomenal. I mean, you know, and that that's just like um, you know, that's a great situation where we're able to um, you know, just you know, think about the disease process and say, all right, you know, this isn't just like hacking it. This is just like, all right, we we we thought about what we can do and then these are the tools and resources we can do.

SPEAKER_00:

Why did you choose BPC 157 and and copper?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so um those are more of my repair peptides, you know, when I think of like healing and repair now, you know, BPC 157 is really well known for healing, uh uh for uh for decreasing inflammation, swelling, and I use it for that all the time as well. Um the copper peptide is um really neat. It's it's uh it's it's more well known in like the wound healing. Uh and so that's what I was thinking about with that. It's like, okay, well, you know, uh the cortex is broken, so that's almost like a wound. So what if we used a more healing peptide uh to target that? Now, uh, could the same have happened if we used like a TB500? Yeah, maybe. But in my opinion, I I felt like uh if we're really like we're dealing with a fracture here and and I really want healing and repair. Uh and and and I thought, all right, let's use a combination of those two. And um, yeah, and and and you know, those are the that is definitely my combo. If I'm really trying, like if someone has like uh I treat a lot of labrum tears, uh, and I'm really trying to like get something to heal and mend, I tend to like to throw in uh GHK copper. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it because that's even a little I know I do. I think that's incredible. It's it's even a little outside what because most people always go, you know, a B P C T B. Yeah. You know, the the Wolverine stuff.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, for sure. Yeah, but and you can add you can do all three, by the way, too. I I actually just literally right before I came here, I have uh a patient, once again, well known, and uh she was funny. Uh she had just she's just gotten into tennis in maybe the past year, I think, but loves it. And it's you know, it's the fall, it's like super tennis season uh up at the club. And she she thought she just kind of tweaked her quad. And um she's she's kind of tough. So she's she's pointing to you know where the pain is and all this stuff. And uh uh I I was like, all right, well, let's let's look at this thing on ultrasound. Because, you know, usually a quad thing is either like a tear or nothing, and it's been a couple weeks. So, you know, a scanner with ultrasound, she's got this rather large grade two tear of of her quad. Uh and uh she's like, Oh, really? Like I thought it was nothing. So Uh I was like, um I'll share I'll share my story with you here in a second. Yeah. Yeah. So I was like, listen, uh, and she's like, well, do I have to stop? I was like, this thing is gonna linger if you don't, if you if we don't treat it. So we can either rest or we can try to go after this. So so I said, listen, let's uh let's get everything we can on board. And she's like like she's obviously super tough. Like she's like like playing still with this like super quad trade. It's super quad tear. So so so we actually get her on my schedule next day for um PRP. I already, I already, I already put PRP uh in the tear. Um and I was like, same thing. Like we're gonna do twice a day BPC, twice a day TB500, and twice a day G HKCU. And I was like, we'll see how it goes. You know, I expect it to be at least a month. Like I in and that's uh that's like super aggressive, by the way. Like, like, like we're being I don't even want to say conservative because I feel like conservative, but like uh super optimistic. Now I do think it's gonna heal within three, four weeks. I'm not gonna tell her that, but uh, but you know, she wants to get back and get back into the tournaments as soon as possible. So so you can use all three. And that's what you you know, we did twice a day with the with the volleyball athlete, and I I think that it's about as tapped out as uh I feel comfortable. I I I I have one other patient that's like, can we do more? Can we do more? I'm like, let's try.

SPEAKER_00:

What are you typically dosing that like twice? Are you doing uh one milligram of BC twice a day?

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, one milligram BPC twice a day. I think it's five hundred maybe of uh TB 500 twice a day and GHKCU, I think it's two mixed twice a day.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, yeah, that that is more aggressive. I mean, which is but the nice thing is peptides are super safe.

SPEAKER_01:

Yes. If they if someone reacts, they're gonna react, but they're not gonna have a negative consequence. And if they don't react, they don't react. You know, the toughest thing with GHK is that it burns, right? Yeah, uh, but other than that, we're good. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

You've talked about like your injury from running. You've talked about that uh about a year and a half ago. I I was never run, I was a sprinter. Okay, so I I was a sprinter, I was a long jumper, played football, and uh moved to Florida and all of a sudden I just start running. And maybe it's because I came from Kansas City and half the year it was freezing cold and I didn't want to go outside. But and so I would run three miles one day and then four miles the next, and then maybe do a sprint day, and then I'd go run 13 miles. And so I was doing all this, all of a sudden my hip starts hurting. I'm like, man, what is this? And I just kept running. And I kept wondering that everybody's making fun of me because I'm limping everywhere. They're like, Adam, why are you limping? They actually handed me a fake cane to tell me to start walking around. Like, come on. So I went and did PT. I did everything finally. I'm like, okay, this isn't getting better. I I had an evolution fracture. Yeah, of course. Psoaz, old, uh non-displaced. A PSOAS evolution. That's not yeah, it was interesting. So um, but I'm like, okay. Um BPC, TB, copper. Yeah, yeah. Nice, good. So yeah, I mean that I'm right with you, man. There you go. Um that's the formula. Yeah, but I I there's one more story. We haven't shared this one yet. And and this is the one that I I really want the listeners to hear. Yeah, because it's this is to me, it's when it comes we know that peptides have these effects. We've just talked about this, but it's to me what I've seen, even in some GLP ones, I I say, you know, people's lives can be changed when GLP ones are are used properly because it's helped people stop drinking addictions, even smoking addictions, and all of these things. That's not even what their expectation is. They're just trying to lose lose weight. I like to say lose fat. Lose fat um if they're done right. Um but tell tell this story, because this story, like it hit me. Yeah, um at my clinic back in Kansas City, we worked with the military foundation, and yeah, we were doing stellate ganglion blocks with MSCs, we were doing all kinds of stuff. Yeah, and so that this story was like, wow, you know, people need to hear this.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, so um this is a special forces soldier, and I'm I'm I'm just so thankful for our soldiers that fight for us, you know. Um, and you know, he had come in um and he'd he had heard about peptides. I think he had some friends, maybe had had done some. Um sorry was he he had just like history of bilateral labral tears, some degenerative disc disease, um, and he had had enough shoulder pain that he wasn't able to work out. And um, you know, this this is uh this is special forces like performance was his life. You know, he'd been uh a special forces soldier for 10 years, and he's used his entire being, I felt like revolved around him being able to do anything he physically wanted to. Um, but he got to this point where he um he wasn't able to work out anymore. Um and you know, he came to us for pain and also maybe to to get stronger again and get back to to what he uh to where he was. Now, also part of the story was that he he um he basically had some brain injury due to his due to his um due to his line of work. I mean, biological weapon, whatever you want to call it, um uh induced injury to his brain, and he was he would have these episodes of paralysis and uh just slurred speech and and brain fog and just like super shutdown. So um, so you know, my my goal with him, you know, we're talking about his goals and my goals. So um his goal was just like to to to be able to work out again. Now he did share with me that like he's like doc if I can't if I can't like get to back back to where I was, I I don't think I want to be around anymore. And so that that was very impactful to me. Um, but I thought, all right, let's let's let's start and build some trust. So, you know, we we we put them on a program of peptides. Now I also you know, I also do manipulation and electroacupuncture. So, you know, I'm used to treating pain. And so we put them on um we put them on BPC 157, TB500, uh, and then we put them on the growth hormone peptides. Um, and uh, and then I also did, you know, say I did electroacupuncture on now. He also had some other motivations. He had he had just started uh business school in Philadelphia, and um, you know, he was you know, half of MBA school is is is um is is networking, and he was like, you know, is there anything you can do to help me with that? Um so we came up with this program um with the growth hormone peptides as well, and then uh so oxytocin and then CMAX and salank uh for kind of those social situations.

SPEAKER_00:

W why those two?

SPEAKER_01:

Uh CMAX and salinque. Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Explain a little bit just into those.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah. Um, well, first of all, oxytocin, um, oxytocin has some neat properties. Now it's it's it's sort of uh it's released, you know, with with mom and baby, actually. It's like the connection hormone, uh released naturally. And um it but but used as a peptide, it has some interesting properties. Um, particularly things like connection and and social interaction. Get, you know, it helps with that. So that it's a great peptide. It's and nice as it comes with a nose spray. It also is like a vasodilator and has these interesting properties, these neuroprotective properties in the brain. Um, so uh you can use it before a workout. It it can be a definitely uh almost like an NO boost, right? It'll vasodilate nitric oxide boost. Um so you can do it before a workout, but also you can do it before you know you're gonna hang out with people. Uh CMEX and Celank. So Celank is like um, you know, it's like my like better alternative than a benzo, right? Or like a glass of alcohol. Um it's it it had it works on GABA. So GABA is like our chill hormone. So it boosts GABA, but it the neat thing, so this is Celank. So SLENC's more, a little bit more of like a chill out peptide. CMAX is a little bit more of uh nootropic. It so so I like to do CMAX more on days uh where I'm I I need to focus, I need to dial in, uh, and it chills you out a little bit. CLENC is more like on the weekends where I just try to you know relax a little bit. Uh so you can use a combination of all three of those, which is neat. Now I try not to do CMAX and SLANC on the same day. Some people get headaches, some people don't, but uh that's where I'll kind of alternate those. But um yeah, so we had them on all three of those. Yeah. Yeah. Um, so I mean, of course, this this guy is like basically superhuman. So, you know, we had to do some dosing adjustments, you know. Initially, we started at 100 micrograms twice a day, and then he had a headache, and then we backed down to 50, and then he did find 50. He's like, Well, can I do it more? I was like, Yeah, sure, you can do it three times a day. You could actually go up to four times a day if it I mean you have to really uh you have to plan that out. You have to plan it out because it's got to be 90 minutes away from a meal before you do it, and then another about 30 minutes or so uh after you do it before you can eat. But hey, if you're able to do it, you're able to do it. So it's like, yeah, sure, you can do it three times a day. And then he tolerated three times a day, tolerated the 50s, starting to notice and change, and then we went back up to 100 and he tolerated that. And man, he came back. Now when we're doing acupuncture every week, and I'm seeing him, and his his his shoulder pain is getting better, but he he just became this just like beast, man. Like he was so big, and I'm like, am I the only one noticing this? Like, you look great, man. You look strong and and um and and you just look amazing. He's like super happy, his pain's better. He's loving the the oxytocin, he's loving the C-Mex and Selang. Um, and now this was the interesting thing is that when he's on these peptides, um he his his brain stuff, his his per uh, all these episodes are are like better. Um and he's he's not really connecting the dots, but like it was a neat way for us to be able to once again, I had my goals and he had his goals, but it was a neat way to be able to sort of treat into some of the stuff he was suffering from from um almost like a little sly about it, like like like uh being a little um uh like back door, but um yeah, yeah. Uh he responded really well with the pain and yeah, yeah. I mean, like uh because he did so well, like uh, you know, he uh yeah, he's you know, he went on to do great things. I love it. Yeah, I mean it's so good.

SPEAKER_00:

It's just knowing that you can actually find and utilize peptides to to help with what he's needing, but also that underlining you know, whereas a physician, you're like, you also need this. I know you're not thinking you don't think of this at all, but it's there. Yeah, yeah, it's incredible.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, no, it's really cool. Yeah, I mean, there's the these cases are like super rewarding, you know. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

All right. So I want to do something with you real quick. This is gonna be a speed round. Ooh, speed round. Okay, speed round. So I'm gonna ask you a question, just a response, quick response. First thing that comes to your mind. Your go-to peptide pairing with any regenerative injection.

SPEAKER_01:

I would say TB500.

SPEAKER_00:

TB500. Most impactful stack for uh MSK or musculoskeletal repair.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we said it TB500, BPC 157, and GHKCU.

SPEAKER_00:

Favorite peptide route, sub-Q, IV, sublingual. I'm gonna go IV. Okay.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, we do IV peptides in our office.

SPEAKER_00:

One principle you teach your patients about healing.

SPEAKER_01:

Uh the body is capable of self-healing. The body is capable of self-healing, and we just have to tap into that.

SPEAKER_00:

I love it. I love it, man. Um, all right. So all of your systems that you blend, I know we've talked a lot about peptides um from obviously the biology, the movement, the mindset, because you obviously you address all of those things into obviously a full healing experience. What would you say um to another practitioner who's still stuck kind of in in treating just symptoms? And again, it's not that we don't treat symptoms, but that's just not the underlining reason why we do that instead of just patterns, I guess.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, you know, um I'm a why guy once again, so I would ask them and I would have them ask themselves, why will this get better? If we just uh if we just throw pharmaceuticals, if we're not like I I I my advice to these practitioners, and and I hope that they're interested in in what we're doing, and especially if somebody's interested in this, you know, learn what's going on and then have solutions that help the body heal itself. I mean, um I I I think that's the biggest thing is like why I I always ask myself, if I do this, why will it get better? And I think when you ask yourself that um and and and if and and wrestle with it, you know, and if you're putting out a therapeutic that is is only covering things up, then it's it's great if it allows someone to function, but as soon as they're off of it, it's it it's gonna go right back.

SPEAKER_00:

So uh with that real quick, I mean, do you feel like people should be on peptides I guess forever?

SPEAKER_01:

We have I have this question all the time. My patients are like, well, um I don't want to be dependent on anything, you know, and uh talking about GOP1s. I have this conversation with GLP ones all the time, and it's like, well, are you okay with where you're at right now? You know, because if if you're struggling with weight or fat or injury, you know, you have a choice. You could you could either do these uh safe, effective, you know, things, uh, use these these peptides, these things that are in our body, or you could be dealing with the stuff that you're dealing with. And so uh whether it's uh same thing for testosterone, people like, I don't want to be on it forever. It's like, well, you know, um, that's a choice you're making. And and it's not a negative thing, you know, this is different than like, you know, we're not dependent on a benzo here. Like, we're not talking about like a drug you're addicted to. We're simply talking about stuff that allows us to operate the way that we can. Once again, it goes back to, for me, it goes back to like my, you know, me with my wife and my kids and my family. I want to, you know, you know, I'm I'm 45. I want to be not a, you know, not functional 45-year-old dad. You know, my son's golfing right now, and we're golfing together, and I want that to be happening for decades. I want to, I want the four of us to be able to hang out. I want to, you know, be playing golf and and racket sports and and and hiking with my wife until you know decades to come. And so I have a choice. I could like and yes, there's you know, there's other aspects to health, and those are all great, but if I can still perform the way that I want and and and and like to, that and I all I have to do is these peptides, then yeah, keep on it forever. I'm gonna stay on it forever. And that's you know, and I I have no desire to go off of it. And I I I I think that once again, it is your choice to have whatever pain or whatever you're dealing with, or to just take a pill or or do a you know a sub Q injection. Yeah, that's your choice.

SPEAKER_00:

Yeah, and I mean obviously there's always an underlying reason as to why they're asking that question, too. Yeah, you know, I always told my patient, I mean, we invest in what we value. That's right. You know, yeah. That's do you want to brush your teeth every day? If you don't, what do you think's gonna happen? It's just different tools, like you've said before.

SPEAKER_01:

So yeah, yeah, yeah. And these are just great things, you know, they're just great things. It's you know, it's amazing to, you know, um, you know, like whether it's a GLP one or a growth hormone peptide, and you know, it's really nice. You know, you you you you go, you know, uh and a few years ago, uh I wasn't uh I wasn't rocking them, and then I got on GLP1s myself, and I'm like, yeah, wow, this is really cool. I remember this guy. You know, he looks good, you know. This this he looks familiar when you look in the mirror. He looks good, yeah, yeah, exactly. Uh and and to be able to like, you know, uh, you know, do sports and and activities and not feel like you know, like you're in pain and you can't do it anymore, is it's really nice. It's really nice.

SPEAKER_00:

Well, and I don't want to go too far into this, but well, maybe I do. I mean, I I go deep into a lot of these things, but I mean I'm on a GLP, actually three uh right now. I'm on a red shoe time. Reddit shoot time. Yep. And you know, you look at both of us, I mean, we're we're not overweight, we're not the the traditional mindset of, oh, somebody's on a GLP one, two, or three, whatever it is. Because our point isn't to try to be losing weight. It's it's for health.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right.

SPEAKER_00:

And I think that's the biggest thing that hasn't been pushed out there in the understanding of these GLPs.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, and and you know, this whole conversation is um yeah it it is for health, 100%. Um you know, there of course, like uh um what do they call it, uh fat-shaming culture or whatever, you know, um man, it it really stinks because um there even even when we have these solutions that are once and again good and healthy, there there's like a negative context to it. But when you do uh like lose weight, lose fat, look good and feel good, and you look at yourself, there's just like it helps self-confidence. It helped I mean I I want to say it it it it's even boosted our marriage a little bit, like we're more interactive, like it's just like nice. I I I can't and and so once once you do that, then then you're like, well, why would I want to stop this? Why would I stop this? It's not about like everybody thinks it's image, it's image, it's it's like you know, uh this is about like me for my health and me for my wife as well. Like I I want to look good for her, and I you know, I don't want to, you know, you know, go off the rails, you know what I'm saying? Like I I wanna uh I want us to be together like this, you know.

SPEAKER_00:

I think if you ask anybody um ultimately deep down, like just the person walking by like do you do you feel as good as you think you could? Do you do you think that you're healing as well as you could? Or are you experiencing life that's right the way that you really feel like you could? Absolutely. Guarantee you I mean I was gonna say 90%, but it's probably 99% of the people out there like you know, I could probably change something. That's right.

SPEAKER_01:

That's right, that's right.

SPEAKER_00:

To me, that's that's a power that I mean, again, it's a tool, but the peptides can bring.

SPEAKER_01:

Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. And it's so neat that there's like so many. And um, yeah, I mean, some work really well for this and some work for that. But uh, that's like I'm always like, uh, you know, we didn't, you know, I feel like the gut peptides don't get much love, you know. Like um You mean the second brain of the body?

SPEAKER_00:

That's all it is. I know.

SPEAKER_01:

I didn't even talk about larrazotide. I mean, I love larazzotide. It, you know, it heals. You said you loved your wife. I know, she knows. She comes first. But uh I'm loving my wife by loving larazotide. Yeah, yeah. Great, great peptide heals these gap junctions. You know, people think about leaky gut, gap junctions get um uh opened up a little bit too much, that mesh uh filter that the the the gut is supposed to keep out the harmful stuff isn't working the way it should. Uh, and then you end up with crappy stuff in the in the bloodstream. So the razzotite heals these gap junctions. But you know, even in my own personal story and dealing with head injuries and and and and whatnot, um, you know, my gut, you know, will throw me off almost more than anything. I mean, I I I I like, you know, unfortunately don't get to partake in these wonderful four seasons desserts. You know, they look phenomenal, uh, but I don't touch uh the processed sugar like that. So um, and and I know because the gut will really, really throw me off. So, but I mean there's there's some great peptides out there. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00:

Keep learning, keep researching this up to tell everybody. I mean, that's that is what the pulse is about, is to keep diving deeper because you know, even launching an episode a week, I'm like, I don't think I'm ever gonna be able to end because every I mean there's gonna be new new peptides, new journeys that are coming out. Yeah research just continues. Yeah, yeah. Uh with that, Doc, thank you so much because it's been a blast. Yeah, and um, hopefully we could do this again soon. I'd love that.

SPEAKER_01:

That'd be great.

SPEAKER_00:

So for listeners here, I'm Dr. Adam Bounder. This is the Peptide Pulse. Thank you so much. Until next time.